{"id":137,"date":"2010-06-09T13:31:17","date_gmt":"2010-06-09T21:31:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/journalismthatmatters.org\/detroit\/?p=137"},"modified":"2010-06-09T13:31:17","modified_gmt":"2010-06-09T21:31:17","slug":"cultivating-a-healthy-commercial-ecosystem","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/journalismthatmatters.org\/detroit\/2010\/06\/09\/cultivating-a-healthy-commercial-ecosystem\/","title":{"rendered":"Cultivating a healthy commercial ecosystem"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Submitted by gsamek on Wed, 06\/09\/2010 &#8211; 1:31pm<\/p>\n<div class=\"content\">\n<div class=\"field field-type-text field-field-sesion-host\">\n<div class=\"field-items\">\n<div class=\"field-item odd\">\n<div class=\"field-label-inline-first\"><strong> Session Convenor: <\/strong><\/div>\n<p>Geoff Samek<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"field field-type-text field-field-session-reporter\">\n<div class=\"field-items\">\n<div class=\"field-item odd\">\n<div class=\"field-label-inline-first\"><strong> Session Reporter: <\/strong><\/div>\n<p>Geoff Samek<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"field field-type-text field-field-participants\">\n<div class=\"field-items\">\n<div class=\"field-item odd\">\n<div class=\"field-label-inline-first\"><strong> Discussion Participants: <\/strong><\/div>\n<p>Helen Fu, Jeffrey Jones, Kaarli Tasso, Travis Mitchell, Eugene Daniel III, Andrew Humphrey, Eric Galatas, (Two others only left email addresses)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>What&#8217;s good about commenting on Websites?<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>One participant noted that it can increase attendance to a venue and used a museum as an example<\/li>\n<li>Gives a sense of empowerment to the users<\/li>\n<li>Like many letters to the editor at the same time<\/li>\n<li>Can help you find like minded people<\/li>\n<li>Can also expose you to disparate opinions<\/li>\n<li>Reading the comments can help give you a sense of an article before you read it<\/li>\n<li>Can increase traffic\n<ul>\n<li>Example was given of a site who removed commenting and then site traffic took a nosedive<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>What makes a good comment system?<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Notifications for replies to comments<\/li>\n<li>Article&#8217;s author helps moderate conversation<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>What are the problems with current comment systems? (Solutions if talked about found below each problem)<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Bullying online can drive people to be depressed\n<ul>\n<li>Take an off-ramp from a conversation thread, allow one-on-one conversations<\/li>\n<li>Moderate comments from a live chat<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Older people accessing comment systems is tough<\/li>\n<li>Permanence of comments is scary<\/li>\n<li>Don&#8217;t want to blog because afraid of commenters<\/li>\n<li>Not understanding what your privacy rights are<\/li>\n<li>Dominating personalities can silence voices\n<ul>\n<li>If you are a facilitator, actually ask more people to chime in<\/li>\n<li>Education<\/li>\n<li>Problem is intimidation, perhaps let a person know that they can contribute<\/li>\n<li>Post in another forum, or another reporter<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Misinformed rants show what people are truly thinking\n<ul>\n<li>Bring order to the conversation<\/li>\n<li>Vote to ask for more<\/li>\n<li>Using a message board to help shape your opinion on issues<\/li>\n<li>Showing people how they arrived at that conclusion<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Feedback on ads\n<ul>\n<li>Comments on ads<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Vulgar comments\n<ul>\n<li>Limit comments, then push them out of the conversation<\/li>\n<li>Huge dose of positivity from commenters (fire extinguishers)<\/li>\n<li>Communities regulate their community behaviors, self-policing, that is real life reflection<\/li>\n<li>Facebook allows you to you report comments that are bad<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Putting up personal information<\/li>\n<li>Woman accused of molesting little girls, small town story became really big<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>If all else fails, when should we ban users from commenting, how should we handle banning?<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>After banning, keep in touch with people<\/li>\n<li>Freedom of the press not true, being on a given website is not a right<\/li>\n<li>Suspend not ban<\/li>\n<li>Comment probation<\/li>\n<li>Trial of your peers<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Other thoughts?<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Every article should have comments, even if it&#8217;s a tough article<\/li>\n<li>Have to involve the community in everything<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Resources<\/strong><\/p>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Rules-Community-Engagement-Relationships-Connecting\/dp\/1600051421\">Great book on managing communities<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Viral-Loop-Facebook-Businesses-Themselves\/dp\/1401323499\">Another book referenced by a session participant<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessweek.com\/magazine\/content\/07_24\/b4038405.htm\">Stats on online participation by demographic<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.slate.com\/id\/2252247\">Slate.com widget that shows your political leaning<\/a><\/li>\n<li>I have the full audio of the session, however I have yet to figure out how to get it online.<\/li>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Submitted by gsamek on Wed, 06\/09\/2010 &#8211; 1:31pm Session Convenor: Geoff Samek Session Reporter: Geoff Samek Discussion Participants: Helen Fu, Jeffrey Jones, Kaarli Tasso, Travis Mitchell, Eugene Daniel III, Andrew Humphrey, Eric Galatas, (Two others only left email addresses) What&#8217;s &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/journalismthatmatters.org\/detroit\/2010\/06\/09\/cultivating-a-healthy-commercial-ecosystem\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-137","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-session-notes"],"aioseo_notices":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/journalismthatmatters.org\/detroit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/137","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/journalismthatmatters.org\/detroit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/journalismthatmatters.org\/detroit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/journalismthatmatters.org\/detroit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/7"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/journalismthatmatters.org\/detroit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=137"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/journalismthatmatters.org\/detroit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/137\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/journalismthatmatters.org\/detroit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=137"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/journalismthatmatters.org\/detroit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=137"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/journalismthatmatters.org\/detroit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=137"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}